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J61021 Sec 3 Piping Straight Length for Flow Orifice and other DP typ= e Flow meters: Piping Straight Length for Flow Orifice and other DP type Fl= ow meters are determined at Detail engineering stage based on final sizing = of these flow elements by vendor. We recommend Piping Straight Length for 0= % uncertainty for the Flow meters which are part of Guarantee Test and for = the remaining flow meters Piping Straight Length can be as per 0.5% uncerta= inty as given in the table of ISO-5167 standard. The information regarding Orifice flow meters tags that require straight le= ngth as per 0% uncertainty will be identified and communicated during the D= etail Engineering stage. 1. J61021 Sec 3 Pressure & Temperature compensation for flow meters in G= as & Steam services: We recommend Pressure & Temperature compensation in DC= S for all flow meters in Gas & Steam services as it gives more accurate flo= w indication. Due to different modes of operation and start-ups, the pressu= re and temperature can be different from sizing values and thus P&T compens= ation becomes necessary for accurate flow measurements. If the required pre= ssure and temperature sensors are already connected to DCS then P&T compens= ation need to be implemented in DCS for which most DCS vendors have standar= d calculation blocks and only the required tags need to be connected. If it is not possible to do Pressure & Temperature compensation for all flo= w meters in Gas & Steam services then the critical flow meters in Gas & Ste= am services must have pressure and temperature compensation. 1. J61021 Sec 4.1 CC distance of Magnetic Level Gauges : RDS wants to us= e their own CC distance instead of standard CC distance for Magnetic Level = gauges. We have no objection as long as vendors are able to comply with the= RDS CC distance requirement. 1. J61021 Sec 9 Location of Analyzer houses: We recommend location of An= alyzer houses in non-hazardous area. However if they have to be located in = hazardous area for want of space then the Analyzer houses need to be pressu= rized from inside with Instrument air to prevent entry of hydrocarbon gases= from outside. Also all the Electrical components and instruments installed= inside the Analyzer house shall be encapsulated type to prevent creation o= f sparks which can work as source of ignition. Other standards mentioned in= Sec 9 for Analyzer house like Vent fans and LEL detectors must be strictly= followed. 1. J61021 Sec 11 Manufacturing of SIS components as per IEC-61508: We re= commend manufacturing of SIS(Safety Instrumented System) components e.g. Fi= eld transmitters, ESD and Final Control element as per IEC-61508. Design of= the SIS shall be as mentioned by AIC as per IEC 61511 standard. 1. J61021 Sec 12 TUV certified ESD: We agree with AIC comment that this = has to be done after the completion of HAZOP & SIL study. However please no= te that SIL study is not in Topsoe scope. 1. J61021 Sec 14 Control valve pneumatic signal input and output 3 -15 p= si g: The pneumatic signal going from the Control valve's electro-pneumatic= positioner to the valve actuator shall be 3 -15 psig where 3 psig correspo= nds to 0% signal and 15 psig corresponds to 100 % signal. In Sec 7 we have = specified the Control valve actuator shall have spring in the range of 6 - = 30 psig. It is important to understand here that the Total Force or Thrust = acting on the Control Valve actuator spring depends on the area of the actu= ator diaphragm and not on the range of pneumatic signal i.e. 3-15 psig. 1. Other comments on J61021 and J61021-01 are acceptable and shall be in= corporated in the next revision of these documents. Best Regards, Rajeev Khanna Project Manager | Project Management EU+/Americas | Global Supply Haldor Topsoe, Inc. 17629 El Camino Real Houston, TX 77058 USA Phone (work): +1 281 228 5118 Phone (mobile): +1 281 684 9395 Switchboard: +1 281 228 5000 From: Sarah Hailey Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 2:07 PM To: Henrik Wolthers Rasmussen [HWR] ; Rajeev Khanna [RAKH] = ; Stephen Eckhoff [SEC] ; Thor Gallardo [T= MG] Cc: directory@aicenergycorp.com; fchen@aicenergycorp.com; jwilson@aicenergy= corp.com; jlee@aicenergycorp.com; jmelk06@yahoo.com; rgrimes@aicenergycorp.= com; smelk@aicenergycorp.com; Brandon Rascoe ; = Danny Sieve ; Jerry Martin ; Leroy Royer ; Sarah Hailey Subject: AIC SAFuelsX - (RDS Vendor Transmittal 20-1675-0007V) - IFI - RDS = COMMENTS TO HALDOR TOPSOE JOB #S-10186 / S-10683 - INSTRUMENT GENERAL SPECI= FICATIONS To All, Please see the attached RDS Vendor Transmittal #20-1675-0007V and accompany= ing attachments, issued to you "For Information". If you should need any additional information and/or assistance, please do = not hesitate to contact me. Thank you, Sarah Hailey | Richard Design Services, Inc. (RDS) | Project Administrator RICHARD INDUSTRIAL GROUP Engineering | Mechanical and E&I Construction | Automation Engineering and = Fabrication Beaumont, TX | O: 409-832-7827 ext. 1293 | C: 409-718-6560 Sarah.Hailey@rig-rds.com | www.RichardIG.c= om --_000_DB8PR07MB6393015F4BFCF5A2B3A1CAA8B7869DB8PR07MB6393eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please see below for below for HT responses to RDS E= ngineering’s review of the Instrument General Specifications.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 3 Piping Straight Length for Flow Orifice and other DP typ= e Flow meters: Piping Straight Length for Flow Orifice and other DP type Fl= ow meters are determined at Detail engineering stage based on final sizing of these flow elements by vendor. We recommend= Piping Straight Length for 0% uncertainty for the Flow meters which are pa= rt of Guarantee Test and for the remaining flow meters Piping Straight Leng= th can be as per 0.5% uncertainty as given in the table of ISO-5167 standard.

The information regarding Orifice flow meters= tags that require straight length as per 0% uncertainty will be identified= and communicated during the Detail Engineering stage.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 3 Pressure & Temperature compensation for flow meters = in Gas & Steam services: We recommend Pressure & Temperature compen= sation in DCS for all flow meters in Gas & Steam services as it gives more accurate flow indication. Due to different modes= of operation and start-ups, the pressure and temperature can be different = from sizing values and thus P&T compensation becomes necessary for accu= rate flow measurements. If the required pressure and temperature sensors are already connected to DCS then P&T= compensation need to be implemented in DCS for which most DCS vendors have= standard calculation blocks and only the required tags need to be connecte= d.

If it is not possible to do Pressure & Te= mperature compensation for all flow meters in Gas & Steam services then= the critical flow meters in Gas & Steam services must have pressure an= d temperature compensation.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 4.1 CC distance of Magnetic Level Gauges : RDS wants to us= e their own CC distance instead of standard CC distance for Magnetic Level = gauges. We have no objection as long as vendors are able to comply with the RDS CC distance requirement. <= /o:p>

 

  1. J61021 Sec 9 Location of Analyzer houses: We recommend location of An= alyzer houses in non-hazardous area. However if they have to be located in = hazardous area for want of space then the Analyzer houses need to be pressurized from inside with Instrument air= to prevent entry of hydrocarbon gases from outside. Also all the Electrica= l components and instruments installed inside the Analyzer house shall be e= ncapsulated type to prevent creation of sparks which can work as source of ignition. Other standards mentioned = in Sec 9 for Analyzer house like Vent fans and LEL detectors must be strict= ly followed.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 11 Manufacturing of SIS components as per IEC-61508: We re= commend manufacturing of SIS(Safety Instrumented System) components e.g. Fi= eld transmitters, ESD and Final Control element as per IEC-61508. Design of the SIS shall be as mentioned by AIC a= s per IEC 61511 standard.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 12 TUV certified ESD: We agree with AIC comment that this = has to be done after the completion of HAZOP & SIL study. However pleas= e note that SIL study is not in Topsoe scope.

 

  1. J61021 Sec 14 Control valve pneumatic signal input and output 3 -15 p= si g: The pneumatic signal going from the Control valve’s electro-pne= umatic positioner to the valve actuator shall be 3 -15 psig where 3 psig corresponds to 0% signal and 15 psig correspond= s to 100 % signal. In Sec 7 we have specified the Control valve actuator sh= all have spring in the range of 6 – 30 psig. It is important to under= stand here that the Total Force or Thrust acting on the Control Valve actuator spring depends on the area of the act= uator diaphragm and not on the range of pneumatic signal i.e. 3-15 psig.

 

  1. Other comments on J61021 and J61021-01 are acceptable and shall be in= corporated in the next revision of these documents.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Rajeev Khanna
Project Manager | Project Man= agement EU+/Americas | Global Supply

 

Haldor Topsoe, Inc.
17629 El Camino Real
Houston, TX 77058
USA

Phone (work): +1 281 228 5118=

Phone (mobile): +1 281 684 9395

Switchboard: +1 281 228 5000<= /p>

 

From: Sarah Hailey <Sarah.Hailey@rig-rds.c= om>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 2:07 PM
To: Henrik Wolthers Rasmussen [HWR] <HWR@topsoe.com>; Rajeev K= hanna [RAKH] <RAKH@topsoe.com>; Stephen Eckhoff [SEC] <SEC@topsoe.= com>; Thor Gallardo [TMG] <TMG@topsoe.com>
Cc: directory@aicenergycorp.com; fchen@aicenergycorp.com; jwilson@ai= cenergycorp.com; jlee@aicenergycorp.com; jmelk06@yahoo.com; rgrimes@aicener= gycorp.com; smelk@aicenergycorp.com; Brandon Rascoe <Brandon.Rascoe@rig-= rds.com>; Danny Sieve <Danny.Sieve@rig-rds.com>; Jerry Martin <Jerry.Martin@rig-rds.com>; Leroy Royer <Leroy.Royer= @rig-rds.com>; Sarah Hailey <Sarah.Hailey@rig-rds.com>
Subject: AIC SAFuelsX - (RDS Vendor Transmittal 20-1675-0007V) - IFI= - RDS COMMENTS TO HALDOR TOPSOE JOB #S-10186 / S-10683 - INSTRUMENT GENERA= L SPECIFICATIONS

 

To All,

 

Please see the attached RDS Vendor Transmittal #20-1= 675-0007V and accompanying attachments, issued to you “For Information”.

 

If you should need any additional information and/or= assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

 

Thank you,

 

Sarah Hailey | Richard Design Services, Inc. (RDS) | Project Administrator

RICHARD INDUSTRIAL GROUP

Engineering | Mechanical and E&= amp;I Construction | Automation Engineering and Fabrication

Beaumont, TX | O: 409-832-7827 ext. 129= 3 | C: 409-718-6560

Sarah.Hailey@rig-rds.com | www.RichardIG.com

 

 

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